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#!html <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <title>fedora-websites/irc_meeting_4-30-2008</title> <meta name="generator" content="irclog2html.py 2.6 by Marius Gedminas"> <meta name="version" content="2.6 - 2007-10-30"> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> </head> <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff"><tt> <table cellspacing=3 cellpadding=2 border=0> <tr><th bgcolor="#407a40"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> tw2113</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#407a40">MichaelBeckwith</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#42427e"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> JonRob</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#42427e">JonRob here</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#818144"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ricky</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#818144">RickyZhou</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">MaxSpevack</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#488888"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> giarc_w</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#488888">CraigThomas</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">mmcgrath> ping</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#8c4a4a"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> juank_prada</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#8c4a4a">JuanCamiloPrada</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4b904b"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ivazquez</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4b904b">IgnacioVazquezAbrams</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">I'm gonna wait a minute or two for mmcgrath, since it's important that he be here also. Then we'll get started.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><td colspan=2><tt>< epkphoto [n=epkphoto@129.21.233.244] entered the room.</tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#818144"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ricky</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#818144">glezos> Are you around?</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">thank you all for being here</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4d4d93"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> mmcgrath</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4d4d93">spevack> pong</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4d4d93"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> mmcgrath</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4d4d93">spevack> thank _you_</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">mmcgrath> didn't want to start without you</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><td colspan=2><tt>< ***ricky hopes that glezos will be able to help with some l10n decisions :-)</tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#97974f"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> glezos</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#97974f">ricky> I'm here</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">ok. so let's roll...</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#818144"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ricky</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#818144">Ah, great.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#97974f"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> glezos</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#97974f">DimitrisGlezo</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#97974f"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> glezos</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#97974f">s</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">TOPIC 1> Current status of things, as related to the websites team and F9</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">i'll start with a few words</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">I've been a *customer* of the Fedoraw Websites team for a while, but never really had too much insight into how it all happens myself. It always Just Happens, so let's talk about it, and lift the curtain from my eyes a bit too.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">What are the things that are coming together here for F9?</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">I know we update the content on the non-wiki pages.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">what else?</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">who's got the knowledge here to tell me what's going on</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4d4d93"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> mmcgrath</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4d4d93">well I do.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4d4d93"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> mmcgrath</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4d4d93">so basically some things just happen mostly thanks to ricky's self direction)</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4d4d93"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> mmcgrath</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4d4d93">but there's lots of stuff that people want to have happen and its just not come together as a team yet.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4d4d93"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> mmcgrath</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4d4d93">So things for F9 are coming along.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4d4d93"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> mmcgrath</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4d4d93">I'm not sure if stuff is frozen for the translations team yet.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4d4d93"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> mmcgrath</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4d4d93">spevack> are you wanting to know about actual workflow? Or just a higher level view?</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">mmcgrath> i want to talk about a few things.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">first, i want to talk specifically about F9 website content, and make sure that we're on target with whatever is already in the pipeline</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">then, i want to raise the discussion up a level</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4d4d93"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> mmcgrath</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4d4d93">ah, so there's really 3 aspects to our websites.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4d4d93"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> mmcgrath</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4d4d93">at the base layer is the infrastructure team. The proxy servers, caching ,etc.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">and understand the general processes we go through during non-release time, and then as we coordinate the websites around a release.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">right</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4d4d93"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> mmcgrath</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4d4d93">Right above that is the code that creates our websites typically a mix of infrastructure people and websites) and above that is the look and feel of the site. Which is typically the websites team.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><td colspan=2><tt>< jmbuser [n=jmbuser@195.229.24.83] entered the room.</tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">right.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4d4d93"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> mmcgrath</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4d4d93">So for this release I've requested a list of all the links we're going to give out in press releases and stuff.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#818144"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ricky</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#818144">spevack> The process during non-release doesn't exist, and part of that is that we don't have a great process to handle l10n yet.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4d4d93"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> mmcgrath</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4d4d93">I'll be making sure those are cached in memory. But thats not really "website stuff"</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#818144"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ricky</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#818144">So as I mentioned, I'm always afraid that making a single change will bring translations out of sync.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">it's the interface of infrastructure and web.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4d4d93"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> mmcgrath</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4d4d93">ricky> glezos> do we have a deadline for when we need to string freeze the website?</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4b904b"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ivazquez</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4b904b">The non-release process is "someone suggests a change and someone else implements it".</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">ok, so still mmcgrath, that's one need that you have. has that list been provided to you?</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4b904b"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ivazquez</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4b904b">It's duct tape and chewing gum.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#97974f"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> glezos</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#97974f">ricky> I think it's better to have correct information on the website rather than having 100% translations of faulty information.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4d4d93"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> mmcgrath</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4d4d93">spevack> there's actually a meeting about it later this week with releng, marketing, etc.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">ok.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">So item 1 -- the list of links and content that are most important, and making sure we can serve those up under heavy traffic.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#97974f"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> glezos</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#97974f">mmcgrath> looking</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#818144"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ricky</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#818144">glezos> The way I see it, it's not so much about faulty information as it is about new information</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#97974f"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> glezos</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#97974f">mmcgrath> juding by the content volume I'd say 4-5 days translation period.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4d4d93"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> mmcgrath</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4d4d93">spevack> and really thats not a websites concern. They may put some of that content up, and design what it looks like but its more releng and marketing to decide what canonical links to give out.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">mmcgrath> fair enough... so let's assume for a moment, from the perspective of this meeting, that the list exists.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4d4d93"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> mmcgrath</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4d4d93">just because its releng and marketing that actually do the releases.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4d4d93"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> mmcgrath</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4d4d93"><nod></font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">What *is* important to Websites Team is the *content* on those pages.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#97974f"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> glezos</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#97974f">ricky> if it's a whole page or sections it's less of a problem than little changes here and there. So the whole website will look ok except one page, which will gradually get more translations.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4d4d93"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> mmcgrath</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4d4d93">AFAIK the F9 content is in good shape, its just not that different from the F8 content.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">I assume we will be updating the get-fedora and home pages.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4d4d93"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> mmcgrath</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4d4d93">numbers and code names change.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4d4d93"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> mmcgrath</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4d4d93"><nod></font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4d4d93"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> mmcgrath</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4d4d93">ricky> do we have the F9 site up somewhere to look at right now?</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#818144"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ricky</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#818144">mmcgrath> <a href="http://publictest10.fedoraproject.org/">http://publictest10.fedoraproject.org/</a></font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#488888"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> giarc_w</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#488888">we have verify page we want up for f9 as well lots or requests for that post f8 launch)</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#818144"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ricky</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#818144">Still need to add jigdo links on get-fedora.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#488888"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> giarc_w</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#488888">*of</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4d4d93"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> mmcgrath</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4d4d93">ricky> thanks.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">ok... so I ask all of you now... are there any big things needed for the immediate release of F9 that we need to handle in this meeting, or shall we move to the next topic?</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#818144"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ricky</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#818144">glezos> That's probably the right priority to go with, but a set process would definitely make it easier on us :)</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4d4d93"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> mmcgrath</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4d4d93">spevack> AFAIK, not for F9</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#407a40"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> tw2113</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#407a40">screenshots?</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4d4d93"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> mmcgrath</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4d4d93">no big things anyway</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#407a40"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> tw2113</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#407a40">i noticed we still have the old ones</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4d4d93"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> mmcgrath</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4d4d93">tw2113> ahh, good catch.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4d4d93"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> mmcgrath</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4d4d93">ricky> who provided those last time?</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#818144"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ricky</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#818144">tw2113> Good point, those were kind of</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><td colspan=2><tt>last-minute for F8. Is most of the final artwork in rawhide yet?</tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4b904b"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ivazquez</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4b904b">It is.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#818144"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ricky</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#818144">mmcgrath> I did, day of the release, I think :)</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#407a40"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> tw2113</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#407a40">i believe all the final artwork is in</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><td colspan=2><tt>< ***tw2113 has his desktop screenshot up on the site</tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">ok, so if the world isn't burning down for F9, then I think we can trust that the websites content for this release is pretty much good to go, and move the conversation to a larger topic.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4d4d93"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> mmcgrath</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4d4d93">ricky> hah, yeah lets make sure to get those ahead of time.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><td colspan=2><tt>< jmbuser left the room "Leaving").</tt></td></tr> <tr><td colspan=2><tt>< ***ivazquez was there when halfline requested the wave artwork for inclusion</tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#407a40"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> tw2113</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#407a40">i'll provide a default desktop screenshot again if you want</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">I'm going to say what I think is important, and then I'd like some of you guys to tell me what you think is important.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">From my point of view, overall, the Fedora Websites team needs to do a few things:</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#818144"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ricky</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#818144">Cool, then who should I contact about getting those? I should still remember the method that I used not Xnest, but Xephyr)</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#407a40"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> tw2113</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#407a40">i'll work with you on it tonight and tomorrow ricky</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#818144"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ricky</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#818144">tw2113> OK, thanks</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">1) Have new content around the releases</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">2) Work with artwork and infrastructure to provide a service to various other parts of fedora</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">3) take ownership of the layout and look and feel for *.fedoraproject.org</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">and around all three of those points</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">is the question of what workflow and processes we have, and what workflow and processes we need to help track things, make things more efficient, etc.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><td colspan=2><tt><font color="#CC00CC">* mmcgrath agrees on those 3 points.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">what do you guys think? There was a lot of talk on the mailing list, it seemed, about the larger vision that Fedora Websites needs to have</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><td colspan=2><tt><font color="#CC00CC">* spevack will shut up and listen now</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#8c4a4a"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> juank_prada</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#8c4a4a">spevack: from all those points its that comes the whole discussion that leads to this meeting</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#407a40"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> tw2113</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#407a40">i'm no exception, but we have a lot of people throwing ideas around, but no one creating actual visuals of those ideas</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">ricky: i have a question for you.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4d4d93"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> mmcgrath</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4d4d93">Right now there's a workflow for making changes. But not a workflow for really... accepting what changes get made.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#488888"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> giarc_w</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#488888">right, there is no peer review or 'approval', changes just in or they don't</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4d4d93"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> mmcgrath</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4d4d93">which is a common problem in Fedora for teams. Actual decision making is fuzzy.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#8c4a4a"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> juank_prada</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#8c4a4a">the problem comes when those new ideas are discarded because of the lack of that review or approval</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><td colspan=2><tt><font color="#CC00CC">* JonRob brb, it sounds like my wall is collapsing :S</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">one of the things that i like about Fedora Websites is its speed and flexibility</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#407a40"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> tw2113</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#407a40">mentally, i'd really like to get some loose ends on my side of things tied up, and then actually start actively helping create on the website team</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">if i want a change made to redhat.com, it takes me a week.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#8c4a4a"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> juank_prada</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#8c4a4a">then the website hangs for a long time unchanged with the same content and makes it almost useless</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">if i want a change made to fedoraproject.org, it is usually done in a few hours.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#407a40"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> tw2113</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#407a40">how many people do we have actually making the changes spevack ?</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">i don't know</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#488888"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> giarc_w</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#488888">that speed is nice and important to keep i think</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">whenever i need something done, I ask ricky</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><td colspan=2><tt><font color="#CC00CC">* mmcgrath looks at how many people can access it.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4b904b"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ivazquez</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4b904b">I think we have only about 3 people making changes.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#488888"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> giarc_w</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#488888">there are a small handful who actually commit content changes</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#818144"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ricky</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#818144">mmcgrath: 38</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4b904b"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ivazquez</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4b904b">Excluding tfx, of course.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#407a40"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> tw2113</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#407a40">this may just be my naivety overall, but the two people who i know actually making changes are ricky and mmcgrath</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#407a40"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> tw2113</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#407a40">well, paul too</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4d4d93"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> mmcgrath</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4d4d93">So all of these people have access to make changes to the web.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4d4d93"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> mmcgrath</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4d4d93"><a href="https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/group/dump/web">https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/group/dump/web</a></font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#407a40"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> tw2113</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#407a40">just remembered</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4b904b"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ivazquez</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4b904b">And myself.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#818144"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ricky</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#818144">ivazquez: Good point, 37 or 36, then.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><td colspan=2><tt><font color="#CC00CC">* mmcgrath tries not to make changes ever... has no idea what he's doing with css and html :)</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4b904b"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ivazquez</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4b904b">Although not recently.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">ok, so let me ask a simple question that can be +1 or -1'd</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">Is one of the priorities of this team to "build a more formal process around editing content on *.fp.o while also not losing our flexibitiy to act quickly?"</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#818144"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ricky</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#818144">+1</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#488888"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> giarc_w</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#488888">+1</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#8c4a4a"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> juank_prada</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#8c4a4a">+1</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4d4d93"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> mmcgrath</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4d4d93">+1</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#97974f"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> glezos</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#97974f">+1</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4b904b"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ivazquez</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4b904b">How formal?</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4d4d93"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> mmcgrath</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4d4d93">just "more"</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">ivazquez: not for me to say</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#9b519b"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> epkphoto</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#9b519b">+1</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4b904b"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ivazquez</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4b904b">+1 then.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#407a40"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> tw2113</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#407a40">1+</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#407a40"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> tw2113</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#407a40">:D</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4d4d93"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> mmcgrath</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4d4d93">something other then just "ricky and ivazquez sort of do it or they don't"</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#488888"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> giarc_w</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#488888">right, just more, so we *have* a process</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#539e9e"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> Rasther</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#539e9e">+1</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#8c4a4a"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> juank_prada</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#8c4a4a">ivazquez: at least a process because whe lack of one</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#488888"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> giarc_w</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#488888">nothing too complex, or anything</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4d4d93"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> mmcgrath</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4d4d93">spevack: and there's two parts to that.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4d4d93"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> mmcgrath</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4d4d93">1) making changes (you or paul comes in and says "I need this)</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4d4d93"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> mmcgrath</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4d4d93">and</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4d4d93"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> mmcgrath</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4d4d93">2) overhauls.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#8c4a4a"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> juank_prada</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#8c4a4a">i agree with mmcgrath</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4d4d93"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> mmcgrath</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4d4d93">and its 2) I think that juank_prada has something in mind for and we've only done it one other time in the history of my being here IIRC.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4d4d93"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> mmcgrath</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4d4d93">and it was when we created the website as a way to avoid wiki breakdowns.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4d4d93"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> mmcgrath</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4d4d93">so there was no real process, I think we just went to some people like mizmo, got something together. I put some requirements on it (size wise, etc) and it just went though.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#488888"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> giarc_w</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#488888">overhauls seem to involve lots of other teams, art, marketing and infra so we probably really need process to handle bopth</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4d4d93"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> mmcgrath</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4d4d93">now though we've been wanting to make all the websites look the same.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#407a40"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> tw2113</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#407a40">cohesive looks +1</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#8c4a4a"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> juank_prada</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#8c4a4a">but we still need to know which one is the look and feel wer are going to use...</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4d4d93"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> mmcgrath</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4d4d93">we all want the sites to look the same (there's been a ticket open for a year now) but without the process its been a non-starter.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><td colspan=2><tt><font color="#CC00CC">* spevack is being pulled away for about 2 mins... keep talking, i'll read backward</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#97974f"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> glezos</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#97974f">mmcgrath: I believe we have went a good way towards that goal so far. I remember our websites a year ago and everything was completely different than each other.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#818144"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ricky</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#818144">mmcgrath: If we already have know the look, then I don't think it needs a process - it's just a simple task.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#8c4a4a"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> juank_prada</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#8c4a4a">ricky: the process is still needed in order to do that overhaul to the website</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4d4d93"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> mmcgrath</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4d4d93">well how do we get the workerbees in to actually make everything look the same then?</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#488888"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> giarc_w</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#488888">i would agree with ricky, once we do know, but how do we decide?</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#818144"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ricky</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#818144">juank_prada: I was referring to the theming, not the overhaul.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4d4d93"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> mmcgrath</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4d4d93">well here's a question (I'll ask for a +1 or -1)</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#8c4a4a"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> juank_prada</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#8c4a4a">ok</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4d4d93"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> mmcgrath</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4d4d93">"We should change the look of the primary website as what we have now should be changed, even if it is just a little bit)</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><td colspan=2><tt><font color="#CC00CC">* spevack reads backwards... sorry</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4d4d93"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> mmcgrath</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4d4d93">so +1 or -1?</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><td colspan=2><tt><font color="#CC00CC">* giarc_w does not understand the question ?</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><td colspan=2><tt><font color="#CC00CC">* juank_prada is not sure to understand either</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4b904b"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ivazquez</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4b904b">"Should" is a bit loaded.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#818144"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ricky</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#818144">giarc_w: Should we change the theme on fp.o?</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4d4d93"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> mmcgrath</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4d4d93">So what we have at <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/">http://fedoraproject.org/</a> is whats there. We've had people propose an overhaul to it.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4d4d93"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> mmcgrath</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4d4d93">do we want to leave <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/">http://fedoraproject.org/</a> or do we want to change it?</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4b904b"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ivazquez</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4b904b">At least "more" in the previous question had a single direction. "Should" fuzzes it too much.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4d4d93"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> mmcgrath</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4d4d93">because as <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/">http://fedoraproject.org/</a> goes, so goes the rest of our sites.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><td colspan=2><tt><font color="#CC00CC">* tw2113 points to the recent Suse website talk</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#8c4a4a"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> juank_prada</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#8c4a4a">the thing is an overhaul doesnt really mean that we need to change the look of the website</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">ok... I have caught up.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#407a40"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> tw2113</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#407a40">the 3 button front page</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#8c4a4a"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> juank_prada</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#8c4a4a">and thats the whole idea of CSS thing</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">let me share my perspective.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4b904b"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ivazquez</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4b904b">A better question is "If we want to change the site, do we have a definite direction we want to move in?".</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#8c4a4a"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> juank_prada</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#8c4a4a">we can pretty much add content to the site without altering the look of it</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">there are folks here who don't remember the Old Days of Fedora Website Doom</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#818144"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ricky</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#818144">And that's where I start to worry about translations. </font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#818144"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ricky</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#818144">^(content)</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">we had fedora.redhat.com (which was never updated and had horrible content)</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#97974f"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> glezos</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#97974f">I'm -1 for overhaul, at least until we have a thorough study on how they should look. There are some minor fixes I'd suggest, though, like decreasing the font size a bit in the menu.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">and we had fedoraproject.org, which was only the wiki.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">The "current" version of fedoraproject.org was born out of two desires by me:</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#407a40"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> tw2113</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#407a40">I'm +1 for an overall as a long term goal </font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">1) To kill fedora.redhat.com and remove all fedora content from Red Hat machines</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">and</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">2) to have a few static pages that could sit above the wiki and provide a more professional look to our site.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#407a40"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> tw2113</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#407a40">F10 to F11 timeframe</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">So...</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">now we also have planet, docs, fedorahosted, etc.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">lots of other sites that are in the Fedora world, and it would be nice to get a unified look and feel there.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#97974f"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> glezos</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#97974f">spevack: +mirrors, transifex</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">So that people can just realize "hey, this is a Fedora Property"</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">A common look and feel, as mmcgrath says, can only come after there is a consensus of *what* that look and feel should be</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#407a40"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> tw2113</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#407a40">this topic reminds me of my alma mater</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">some people like really minimal websites</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#407a40"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> tw2113</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#407a40">they're still in the process of updating the entire span of the website</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#488888"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> giarc_w</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#488888">-1 to overhaul look and feel until we have at least caught up with making that 'hey, this is fedora' realization a reality</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">there's a million ideas for how to do a website.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#8c4a4a"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> juank_prada</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#8c4a4a">spevack: in order to accomplish the idea of the static page there should be information to be displayed in it... right now the website lacks of information and all of it is being held in the wiki which makes havin fp.o a lack of resources and a domain</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#407a40"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> tw2113</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#407a40">and it's been a year long process</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4d4d93"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> mmcgrath</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4d4d93">spevack: <a href="http://mmcgrath.fedorapeople.org/rhold/">http://mmcgrath.fedorapeople.org/rhold/</a> :)</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">and i've been in enough meetings to realize that most of them are ratholes</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">there are a few key questions, IMHO</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">and all design or engineering decisions come from the answers to those questions</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">1) what information do we want to give?</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">2) how often do we want to update information?</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">3) who do we want updating information?</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">let me be honest with you all...</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">i'm not really sure the best way to wrap my head around this problem.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#8c4a4a"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> juank_prada</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#8c4a4a">if you allow me to answer those questions, ill try to do so from the point of view of a user</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">juank_prada: go ahead</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#8c4a4a"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> juank_prada</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#8c4a4a">1) if the users look for the primary site of a project (in this case fp.o) what he is looking for is primary information about the project</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#8c4a4a"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> juank_prada</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#8c4a4a">also, information about the state of the project, what thing are being donte, what is the difference between this project and some other</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><td colspan=2><tt><font color="#CC00CC">* mmcgrath never goes to suse or ubuntu's website for information about their projects.. I always go to download ubuntu or suse.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#8c4a4a"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> juank_prada</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#8c4a4a">if that information catch his attention he will start digging in the site looking for more specific information, wich my lead to a user looking for how to join or how to install/use fedora</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4b904b"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ivazquez</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4b904b">How do you feel that we succeed on that account?</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4b904b"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ivazquez</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4b904b">s/succeed/do/</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#8c4a4a"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> juank_prada</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#8c4a4a">i dont really think that we are succeeding.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">Well, look, I think there are a few fairly distinct areas of work that we need to be operating in.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">(1) Displaying appropriate content and information on our websites.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#407a40"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> tw2113</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#407a40">gotta go, cya all in the marketing meeting tomorrow :)</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">(2) Theme and look and feel of *.fedoraproject.org</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#818144"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ricky</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#818144">tw2113: Thanks for coming</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">(3) Process around getting changes (either trivial or large) made.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#488888"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> giarc_w</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#488888">ciao tw2113</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#818144"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ricky</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#818144">Content seems to be the big discussion right now</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#488888"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> giarc_w</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#488888">yeah, i agree, content is king</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#8c4a4a"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> juank_prada</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#8c4a4a">as i said before most of the information is on the wiki, which makes having fp.o useless as at the end a user looking for information wont stay on fp.o, instead he will be going to the wiki</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#42427e"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> JonRob</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#42427e">theme and look and feel is informed by content</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#97974f"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> glezos</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#97974f">ricky: thankfully we've got a few examples we could look at, I guess.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">From the perspective of attacking all of these things simultaneously, I think we need to be able to have some leaders in each of those categories.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#407a40"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> tw2113</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#407a40">just a note: content is king. you can style a pile of poo 3 ways to sunday and throw some glitter on it to top it off, but in the end it's still poo. get good content</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#488888"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> giarc_w</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#488888">juank_prada, if the user finds information on the wiki by using the website, how is that a useless web site?</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#488888"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> giarc_w</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#488888">seems to have worked to me</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">here's the other key question -- Who Makes The Final Decision?</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4b904b"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ivazquez</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4b904b">juank_prada: Can you point to specific failure points?</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">Before we start working on a bunch of different visions for content on fp.o, who is going to make the call of what we go with in the end? Does Fedora need a "webmaster"?</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#8c4a4a"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> juank_prada</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#8c4a4a">giarc_w: the problem is how many clicks a user need to do in order to reach information... in web engineering that one of the things to deal with</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><td colspan=2><tt><font color="#CC00CC">* mmcgrath is under the constant opinion that the wiki is not to be trusted, is confusing and suffers from a complete lack of any vision whatsoever.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">Someone that the websites team trusts to sort of be the decision-maker from a content point of view, and someone (probably someone else) who can be the decision maker from a technical point of view.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#97974f"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> glezos</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#97974f">spevack: judging by the work/discussions we've done so far and the progress seen, this big task sounds like a good idea for a workshop at FUDCon.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">glezos: yeah</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#97974f"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> glezos</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#97974f">ie. a get-together attack instead of many distributed people working on different tasks.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#8c4a4a"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> juank_prada</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#8c4a4a">ivazquez: one would be the information about spins... in the get fedora section we point to the mirrors to download spins.. but we never said ther what are those, or whats the difference of those spins</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4b904b"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ivazquez</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4b904b">mmcgrath: Perhaps then we need to do away with huge swaths of the wiki and make them static content instead.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">When people come to the Fedora website, there are two things that I want them to be able to do.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4d4d93"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> mmcgrath</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4d4d93">ivazquez: I think there was a plan for that but no manpower to do it.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">1) GET FEDORA</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#818144"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ricky</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#818144">juank_prada: There was talk of having an explanatory spins.fp.o, but that never materialized :(</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">2) JOIN FEDORA </font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">we've done a good job of making that a reality.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><td colspan=2><tt>-!- MostafaDaneshvar [n=Mostafa@217.219.95.36] has joined #fedora-websites</tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">i think that the vision that was spins.fp.o is exactly what "GET FEDORA" should become.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4d4d93"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> mmcgrath</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4d4d93">ricky: and spins never came about because no one ever gave us templates to incorporate. No worker beers.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4d4d93"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> mmcgrath</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4d4d93">err worker bees.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#42427e"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> JonRob</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#42427e">heh</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">well, there are a lot of people in this meeting.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">obviously a lot of people who care.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><td colspan=2><tt><font color="#CC00CC">* mmcgrath would have done that.... but it would have come out terrible.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#97974f"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> glezos</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#97974f">brb in 5</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><td colspan=2><tt>-!- glezos is now known as glezos_afk</tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">let me put it this way...</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#8c4a4a"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> juank_prada</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#8c4a4a">mmcgrath: mizmo did a great job on some templates to be used for spins.fedoraproject.org but as ivazquez said it never materialized</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4b904b"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ivazquez</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4b904b">mmcgrath: How it looks is unimportant in the grand scheme of things.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">If I were the King of Fedora, and I could just present a vision and make it happen instantly, I focus all me efforts on making it as simple as possible for people to join fedora (which we've been doing well) and in making it as simple as possible for people to see all the different Fedora spins that exist, and then have a mechanism to either download them or build them on their own.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4d4d93"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> mmcgrath</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4d4d93">juank_prada: nope, no templates were ever given to me. Just mockups. There was one person on that team that kept saying "I'll get you the templates" but I never got a thing.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><td colspan=2><tt>-!- daMaestro [n=jon@fedora/damaestro] has quit ["Leaving"] </tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#488888"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> giarc_w</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#488888">I think that if we distrust the wiki, we should identify the info we want from the wiki and make those pages static so there is tighter control of it's message to users</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#8c4a4a"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> juank_prada</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#8c4a4a">mmcgrath: i can work on it on this weekend</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">Ok... we can talk in circles all day. But here's my leadership/management style. It's to ask who is willing to commit to a specific action.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4d4d93"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> mmcgrath</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4d4d93">spevack: sounds like juank_prada just committed (please correct me if I'm wrong)</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#42427e"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> JonRob</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#42427e">spevack: you beat me to that very question!</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">and then to make sure that those actions all tie together to a unified vision</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">juank_prada: so, what exactly are you going to take a look at and work on?</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#8c4a4a"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> juank_prada</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#8c4a4a">mmcgrath: you are right... ill start working on the spins layout</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4d4d93"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> mmcgrath</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4d4d93">but really juank_prada seems to be a guy that has a vision for the website, and has even built some mockups.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">great -- that's exactly the sort of design leadership that we're looking for.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4d4d93"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> mmcgrath</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4d4d93">juank_prada: do you have access to the web repo btw?</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">ok, so one item for next week's agenda is to let juank_prada present his vision and show us whatever mockups he has built.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#8c4a4a"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> juank_prada</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#8c4a4a">i think ricky gave me access although ive never had the time to commit any changes until now</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">two -- ricky, correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like most actual process stuff tends to flow through you right now.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4d4d93"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> mmcgrath</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4d4d93">juank_prada: k, ping me in here or #fedora-admin if you have any questions.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">is that right?</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#818144"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ricky</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#818144">spevack: Yeah. </font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#8c4a4a"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> juank_prada</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#8c4a4a">mmcgrath: ok... :)</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#818144"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ricky</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#818144">But that ends up amounting to relatively little, to be honest.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">ricky: so, do you want to be in charge of doing whatever you think is right to make the actual change processes more scalable, better, etc. Basically taking ownership of being the interface between Infrastructure and Websites?</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#818144"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ricky</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#818144">Sure thing (and l10n too)</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">ricky: this comes with no mandates from me, other than to acknowledge that everyone looks at you as The Guy Who Gets Stuff Done on The Website and to make sure you have the power to construct those processes however you like.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">ok, so how about for next week you be ready to share with us wha tyou think is good, or where you think we need to make improvements</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><td colspan=2><tt><font color="#CC00CC">* spevack keeps having his irc connection hang on him... very annoying</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><td colspan=2><tt>-!- juank_ [n=juanky@200.114.38.35] has joined #fedora-websites</tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">ok, what else? mmcgrath, anything else that was on your mind that we haven't touched on yet?</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">i don't expect to solve everything today, but I want to see us moving forward.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#a25555"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> juank_</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#a25555">sorry guys... internet crashed :S</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#818144"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ricky</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#818144">OK. There are two main things preventing us from having more freedom with content - first, a unified vision for content, and then the process for getting it in.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#818144"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ricky</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#818144">What can we do to resolve these?</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#42427e"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> JonRob</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#42427e">we could do like the art team does for art work, re: vision for content </font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#488888"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> giarc_w</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#488888">ricky, are you including getting translated content in those 2?</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">Here's the thing, folks... all of us can have visions for the website, but we have to have a couple of people who are empowered to actually build up test instances, let people play with things, etc. We need some web engineers.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#42427e"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> JonRob</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#42427e">or maybe that's over kill</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#818144"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ricky</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#818144">giarc_w: That's the process.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">Do we need to do some recruiting?</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#a25555"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> juank_</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#a25555">that would be good</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#818144"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ricky</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#818144">juank_prada: I've seen some really insightful discussions about content on the marketing/art lists.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#818144"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ricky</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#818144">juank_prada: Oops, I mean JonRob</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4d4d93"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> mmcgrath</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4d4d93">recruiting is good, it might be best to make sure we have something for people to do and that it can get put through the process before we ask people to come though.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#42427e"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> JonRob</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#42427e">yeah, i know the ones you mean ricky</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4b904b"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ivazquez</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4b904b">Perhaps we should get Marketing involved in content generation.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#488888"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> giarc_w</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#488888">ivazquez, +1</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#42427e"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> JonRob</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#42427e">ok: here's my suggestion</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#a25555"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> juank_</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#a25555">ivazquez: +1</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#488888"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> giarc_w</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#488888">and or docs writers</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">JonRob: go!</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#818144"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ricky</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#818144">+1 </font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#42427e"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> JonRob</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#42427e">we take this week to discuss with marketing and artwork, and anyone else who's interested, to get some visions for what the websites need to become</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#42427e"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> JonRob</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#42427e">it doesn't matter if we get one or several</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#42427e"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> JonRob</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#42427e">but to get some ideas</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#42427e"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> JonRob</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#42427e">we can talk about this next week and either a) figure which one we'd like to pick up and run with</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#42427e"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> JonRob</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#42427e">it doesn't matter if it follows the original spec perfectly, release early and often etc :)</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4b904b"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ivazquez</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4b904b">Absolutely. We're capable of doing the implementation, but without the ideas there's no point.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#42427e"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> JonRob</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#42427e">or we can run with several and wittle it down as we go</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">So, sorry if I'm repeating myself, but let me ask this question:</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">Is what we lack a VISION FOR CONTENT, or PEOPLE TO ACTUALLY DO WORK, or both?</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#818144"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ricky</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#818144">Both, and a clear process.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#818144"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ricky</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#818144">So we have a lot of work to do :-)</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#9b519b"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> epkphoto</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#9b519b">both, especially the clear process part</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#a25555"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> juank_</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#a25555">i agree with ricky</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4b904b"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ivazquez</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4b904b">More the former from my POV.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#42427e"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> JonRob</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#42427e">i think with a vision would come more people to help</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">ok, well I've appointed Ricky "process guy".</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#488888"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> giarc_w</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#488888">vision, i think...it seems we have the hands to implement</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4d4d93"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> mmcgrath</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4d4d93">spevack: really we're looking at the last remnance of the way things used to be... One or two people just doing the work. its like starting the websites team from scratch again.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">juank_ has indicated that he wants to present at least one vision of Content</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4d4d93"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> mmcgrath</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4d4d93">stuff is getting done, but its because of the dedication of the individuals on the team, not the team itself. We need to move to a team environment.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4b904b"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ivazquez</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4b904b">We've shown in the past that we can get the work done... when there's work to be done.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">mmcgrath: *nod*</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">well look, if we're basically rebooting the Fedora Websites team</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">we need the interface to Infrastructure (ricky)</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">We need an interface to Artwork (???)</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#818144"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ricky</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#818144">mizmo?</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#57a657"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> couf</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#57a657">Docs here</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">mizmo would make sense</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#818144"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ricky</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#818144">quaid + couf?</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4d4d93"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> mmcgrath</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4d4d93">we probably shouldn't volunteer her without her being here though.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><td colspan=2><tt><font color="#CC00CC">* abadger1999 has been watching the wrong channel :-(</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4d4d93"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> mmcgrath</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4d4d93">ianweller might be another one.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#488888"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> giarc_w</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#488888">tw2113, maybe as well</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#818144"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ricky</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#818144">mmcgrath: Ah, true.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#5959a9"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ianweller</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#5959a9">hmm?</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><td colspan=2><tt><font color="#CC00CC">* ianweller wakes up</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4b904b"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ivazquez</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4b904b">We have no shortage of Art people in the Websites team.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">I think we can get all sorts of good art.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#488888"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> giarc_w</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#488888">(or infra)</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#a25555"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> juank_</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#a25555">but we first need to tell them what exactly is what should be done.. and that will only happens after knowing what kind of info will be shown</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4b904b"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ivazquez</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4b904b">Infra is more tightly defined though, so having a single Infra POC is a good idea. </font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">juank_: and you're going to present us with a vision for that next week, right?</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4d4d93"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> mmcgrath</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4d4d93"><nod></font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4d4d93"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> mmcgrath</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4d4d93">ricky: its up to you, do you want to be primary infra POC or should I?</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><td colspan=2><tt><font color="#CC00CC">* mmcgrath doesn't care.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#5959a9"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ianweller</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#5959a9">is this a meeting right now?</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#a25555"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> juank_</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#a25555">spevack: ill work on spins section... and i already did a change to the first page on fp.o to manage some other content</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#488888"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> giarc_w</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#488888">ianweller, yep</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">juank_: excellent.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#818144"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ricky</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#818144">mmcgrath: Sure - it'll be good to have two people :)</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><td colspan=2><tt><font color="#CC00CC">* ricky suddenly wonders about news.fedoraproject.org </font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">ok, what else do you guys want to talk about? Do people feel like we've made any progress in this hour? At least identified a few issues and started to carve out some ownership</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#42427e"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> JonRob</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#42427e">ricky: progres is being made :) </font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#818144"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ricky</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#818144">Eeeexcellent :)</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#a25555"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> juank_</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#a25555">somebody to help ricky would be good... as he pointed in the ml he was very busy with FAS2 so ther should be somebody else so ricky dont get overwhelmed with tasks</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#818144"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ricky</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#818144">juank_: +1!</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#488888"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> giarc_w</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#488888">i'll over to help, where ever I can, just point me</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#488888"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> giarc_w</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#488888">offer</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4b904b"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ivazquez</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4b904b">I can help with the VCS part, but I don't know the metal that well.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">I have one more question </font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">actually, no i don't </font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">i think we have enough swirling right now</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4d4d93"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> mmcgrath</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4d4d93">juank_: yeah, ricky and I will just keep the lines open with eachother. Ricky's off to college soon too so I suspect he doesn't quite know how much free time is in his future :)</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#818144"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ricky</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#818144">I should start to be more open with the process on the ml (and with asking people to do stuff)</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#5959a9"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ianweller</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#5959a9">so do we need a point of contact for artwork?</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#818144"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ricky</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#818144">Yeah :)</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#488888"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> giarc_w</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#488888">i have a question about translations: what are we planning to do with new pages that do not have translations?</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#4b904b"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ivazquez</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#4b904b">And maybe we should have one for Marketing as well.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">Who will be at FUDCon boston?</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><td colspan=2><tt><font color="#CC00CC">* ricky </font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#488888"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> giarc_w</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#488888">should they wait, or do in</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#488888"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> giarc_w</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#488888">?</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#488888"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> giarc_w</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#488888">go</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><td colspan=2><tt><font color="#CC00CC">* ivazquez nominates juank_ for the Marketing POC</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#818144"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ricky</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#818144">giarc_w: At this point, I'm with go in.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#488888"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> giarc_w</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#488888">ok</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#5959a9"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ianweller</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#5959a9">i'd be willing to be an artwork POC, you could ask tw2113 too, and make sure you let mizmo know</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#818144"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ricky</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#818144">giarc_w: But I'd feel much better if I could put it in and know that it'd be translated within say, 2 weeks.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#818144"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ricky</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#818144">ianweller: We should probably email a few lists about this soon</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#488888"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> giarc_w</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#488888"><nod> how can we do that ?</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#a25555"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> juank_</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#a25555">i wouldnt mind to be the Marketing POC if you all agree with that</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#57a657"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> couf</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#57a657">juank_: hired</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><td colspan=2><tt>-!- juank_prada [n=juanky@200.114.38.35] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] </tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#488888"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> giarc_w</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#488888">+1 for juank_ POC with marketing</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><td colspan=2><tt>-!- MostafaDaneshvar [n=Mostafa@217.219.95.36] has left #fedora-websites ["Konversation terminated!"] </tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#42427e"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> JonRob</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#42427e">no problems here :)</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#818144"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ricky</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#818144">giarc_w: One idea that I mentioned was a sort of website translation cycle that l10n would be aware of (although I'm not sure how much that could affect our speed/flexibility)</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">ok... so I think we're about ready to adjourn the official part of this meeting, though everyone can keep talking. JonRob... about that volunteering to be secretary? Will you get a log posted and also glean out of it the various action items that we have?</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#42427e"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> JonRob</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#42427e">yep</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#818144"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ricky</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#818144">Important thing: Next meeting time?</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#42427e"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> JonRob</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#42427e">lol is the only reason i'm here really!!</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">JonRob: thank you -- i cannot tell you how much i appreciate that.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#818144"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ricky</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#818144">We're on top of a docs meeting now, I think.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#818144"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ricky</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#818144">JonRob: Thanks!</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#42427e"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> JonRob</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#42427e">np - good excuse for avoiding essay writing :p</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#818144"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ricky</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#818144">So wednesdays are really good for me, except for 20:10 - 21:30 UTC or so.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#818144"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ricky</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#818144">What other days/times are convenient for everybody?</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#a25555"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> juank_</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#a25555">i cant really do on wednesday... i rather mondays o fridays ... (today was an exception)</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#5959a9"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ianweller</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#5959a9">i have school and usually i can pop in IRC about 20:00-21:00 UTC on weekdays.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#5959a9"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ianweller</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#5959a9">any time before that is impossible for me</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#42427e"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> JonRob</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#42427e">shall i set up a matrix on the wiki? or is that overkill?</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#42427e"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> JonRob</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#42427e">i know it works for docs</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><td colspan=2><tt><font color="#CC00CC">* giarc_w is pretty flexible and will be able to make most any time</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#818144"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ricky</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#818144">JonRob: That'd be great, can you post a link along with the meeting log?</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><td colspan=2><tt><font color="#CC00CC">* ricky actually has to run now, since it's almost 20:10 :)</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#42427e"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> JonRob</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#42427e">yep...hopefully all should be up later tonight</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#5959a9"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ianweller</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#5959a9">cool </font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#818144"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ricky</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#818144">All right, then - thanks a lot, everybody.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#42427e"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> JonRob</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#42427e">though if anyone wants to let me know how to do the irc to html conversion so it looks swish on the wiki that'd be cool</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#818144"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ricky</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#818144">spevack: and thanks for stepping up to make this happen1</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">ricky: well, i'll drive these meetings for the forseeable future. If there's one skill I have, it's repeating "who's doing X" over and over again :)</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#42427e"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> JonRob</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#42427e">yep - you guys got some good work done this eve, congrats to all</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#57a657"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> couf</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#57a657">JonRob: talk to jmbuser he knows how it works </font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">so is there a plan to figure out the next meeting time?</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#818144"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ricky</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#818144">JonRob: Sending the log to the mailing list is convenient.</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#42427e"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> JonRob</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#42427e">couf: thanks</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#818144"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ricky</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#818144">(Infrastructure does that + a link to the ml post from the wiki)</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#42427e"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> JonRob</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#42427e">ricky: i'll do both</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#818144"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ricky</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#818144">spevack: So far, it looks like wiki matrix + boucing times around on the ml</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#818144"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> ricky</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#818144">JonRob: Thanks a lot</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">ok</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">ok, well we'll see you all next week... and I'll be hounding folks on the ML who accepted action items. :)</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">Thanks for coming, all</font></tt></td></tr> <tr><th bgcolor="#854685"><font color="#ffffff"><tt> spevack</tt></font></th><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><tt><font color="#854685">============ adjourned ============== </font></tt></td></tr> </table> <br>Generated by irclog2html.py 2.6 by <a href="mailto:marius@pov.lt">Marius Gedminas</a> - find it at <a href="http://mg.pov.lt/irclog2html/">mg.pov.lt</a>! </tt></body></html>