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| spevack | ok | 00:00 |
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| * spevack is ready to get started. Who's here for the Fedora Ambassadors training & tips class? | 00:00 | |
| * loupgaroublond is kibitzing | 00:00 | |
| * nirik is watching and learning. | 00:01 | |
| spevack | anyone else here? | 00:01 |
| * linuxguru is here for the clas | 00:01 | |
| spevack | yay! | 00:01 |
| linuxguru | class* | 00:01 |
| spevack | alright, well I spent some time yesterday revising and re-doing my material, so let's go ahead and get started | 00:02 |
| spevack | There are two main audiences for this class: | 00:02 |
| spevack | * Folks new to Fedora eager to participate in their regional activities | 00:02 |
| spevack | * Experienced Ambassadors who want to train others | 00:02 |
| spevack | The goal is for this session to be interactive, so please ask questions! | 00:03 |
| spevack | My name is Max Spevack -- if you want to know more about me, you can read my wiki page -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MaxSpevack | 00:03 |
| spevack | Fedora Ambassadors continues to grow faster than any other group. This makes mentoring and training critical. To that end, I'm going to | 00:03 |
| cover the mission of Fedora Ambassadors, the importance to the rest of the Project, and also some how-tos of actually being a good | ||
| ambassador. | ||
| spevack | The goal of this class is to make sure that new Ambassadors who have joined the project understand how Fedora Ambassadors works, what your | 00:04 |
| local resources are, and how you can be an effective Ambassador. | ||
| spevack | 00:04 | |
| spevack | Let's start by outlining the most important functions of Ambassadors (in no particular order): | 00:04 |
| spevack | (1) Fedora Ambassadors are often the "public face" of Fedora in their region, country, or city. Fedora Ambassadors organize the events in | 00:04 |
| which people are exposed to Fedora, and learn about the values of the Fedora Project -- freedom, friends, features, first. | ||
| spevack | 00:05 | |
| spevack | (2) Fedora Ambassadors are the folks who implement the strategy that Fedora Marketing develops. | 00:05 |
| spevack | 00:05 | |
| spevack | (3) Fedora Ambassadors are one of the most important means of recruiting new contributors to the larger Fedora Project. | 00:05 |
| spevack | 00:05 | |
| spevack | Now we'll go into greater detail on all these points. | 00:05 |
| spevack | Any questions or comments so far? | 00:06 |
| linuxguru | no. please continue. | 00:06 |
| loupgaroublond | yes | 00:06 |
| linuxguru | okay | 00:06 |
| spevack | loupgaroublond: go ahead | 00:06 |
| liujiyun | go | 00:06 |
| loupgaroublond | is everyone looking for th ebasic stuff first or the more advanced parts? | 00:06 |
| spevack | loupgaroublond: i tailored this content to people who have never done anything w/ Ambassadors before, because it was suggested to me that a | 00:07 |
| bunch of newbies from India/APAC wanted to come to this class | ||
| loupgaroublond | gotcha :) | 00:07 |
| spevack | loupgaroublond: but we can crumple that up and move on to specific stuff you have if you like. All my content is written down and could just as easily be posted somewhere else | 00:07 |
| loupgaroublond | nah, i'll ping you for the advanced stuff later | 00:07 |
| spevack | loupgaroublond: if you have some specific questions, please ask them. | 00:08 |
| spevack | loupgaroublond: and either i'll say "let's discuss that later" or I'll answer it :) | 00:08 |
| loupgaroublond | sure | 00:08 |
| loupgaroublond | looks like your crowd is here now | 00:09 |
| * spevack stops, looks around, and asks if any of the folks who just joined are here for the Ambassadors training class | 00:09 | |
| aveek | yes, I am for the Ambassadors training class | 00:10 |
| FedoraRick | I'm just checking it out the Ambassadors class out | 00:10 |
| spevack | aveek: would you consider yourself looking for "beginner" or more "advanced" material? | 00:10 |
| spevack | FedoraRick: same question to you | 00:10 |
| aveek | The "beginner" material | 00:11 |
| aveek | I am a Fedora ambassador under probation from India | 00:11 |
| aveek | And I am learning | 00:12 |
| spevack | ok, well I'll briefly recap what we have already covered | 00:12 |
| spevack | and then move on | 00:12 |
| spevack | I started by discussing the 3 most important functions of Fedora Ambassadors, and I'll paste that part again right now. | 00:12 |
| spevack | 00:12 | |
| spevack | (1) Fedora Ambassadors are often the "public face" of Fedora in their region, country, or city. Fedora Ambassadors organize the events in | 00:12 |
| which people are exposed to Fedora, and learn about the values of the Fedora Project -- freedom, friends, features, first. | ||
| spevack | (2) Fedora Ambassadors are the folks who implement the strategy that Fedora Marketing develops. | 00:13 |
| spevack | (3) Fedora Ambassadors are one of the most important means of recruiting new contributors to the larger Fedora Project. | 00:13 |
| spevack | 00:13 | |
| spevack | Now I want to go into more detail about each. Feel free to interrupt with questions any time. | 00:13 |
| spevack | 00:13 | |
| aveek | ok | 00:13 |
| spevack | Let's start with (1), being the "public face" of Fedora in your region. | 00:13 |
| spevack | The first thing that people need to understand is that Ambassadors is an *active* group, meaning that to be a good Ambassador, you must be | 00:13 |
| willing to interact with other people, and to organize events. | ||
| spevack | Personal interaction is one of the most important parts of community building, and Fedora Ambassadors provide that far better than an IRC | 00:13 |
| session or a mailing list can. The lifeblood of Fedora Ambassadors is participating at, and organizing, events. | ||
| aveek | ok | 00:14 |
| spevack | This does *not* mean that you have to just go to a big conference and have a booth. Fedora Ambassadors are encouraged to work with schools, | 00:14 |
| universities, companies, as well as open source or free software events. The goal is to educate people about Fedora and about open source, | ||
| and then to help people become users, and eventually contributors. | ||
| spevack | Setting aside Fedora Ambassadors for a moment and talking about the general challenge of building a strong Fedora community overall my | 00:14 |
| experience has shown me that it is almost impossible to over-value what personal interaction brings to the community. | ||
| aveek | I am doing just that | 00:14 |
| spevack | aveek: great! | 00:14 |
| aveek | I am a student at NIT Agartala | 00:14 |
| spevack | aveek: what are you studying? | 00:14 |
| linuxguru | i am a student at Jodhpur university , india. | 00:15 |
| linuxguru | and run the LUG jaipur. | 00:15 |
| spevack | linuxguru: awesome! | 00:15 |
| aveek | Electronics & Communication Engineering | 00:15 |
| spevack | linuxguru: how often do you have meetings of the LUG? | 00:15 |
| linuxguru | we also plan to have some good events this summer in our local area. specially targeting fedora. planning a FAD too. | 00:15 |
| linuxguru | spevack, twice a month. | 00:15 |
| aveek | weekly | 00:15 |
| aveek | daily coding sessions at night | 00:16 |
| spevack | great, great stuff | 00:16 |
| liujiyun | I am a student at China ,I am major in Information security | 00:16 |
| linuxguru | i am a computer science student. doing major. | 00:16 |
| spevack | so, linuxguru mentioned Fedora Activity Days (FAD). | 00:16 |
| spevack | The importance of personal interaction is also one of the reasons why FUDCons and FADs are so important to Fedora. FUDCons and FADs are the | 00:16 |
| two "biggest" events that we organize within the Fedora community. | ||
| aveek | We plan a major install fest after the vacations-anytime between 15-20 July | 00:16 |
| linuxguru | aveek, i guess NIT have a local LUG. | 00:16 |
| spevack | aveek: for Fedora 11? | 00:16 |
| spevack | aveek: or for all distros? | 00:17 |
| spevack | aveek: (either answer is a good one!) | 00:17 |
| aveek | yes if I get DVDs else Fedora 10 | 00:17 |
| linuxguru | spevack, yeah. i have heard alot about FAD. and i really plan to have one pretty soon. i also read the url link given by you that day in | 00:17 |
| meeting at #fedora-meeting. and got lot of ideas. | ||
| spevack | linuxguru: i'm going to cover that a bit more rightnow | 00:17 |
| spevack | FUDCon = Fedora Users and Developers Conference | 00:17 |
| spevack | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon | 00:17 |
| linuxguru | spevack, sure. | 00:17 |
| aveek | I am in regular contact with the NIT Durgapur LUG & Rangeen; & Susmit | 00:17 |
| spevack | FUDCon is a combination of sessions, talks, workshops, and hackfests in which contributors work on specific initiatives. Topics include | 00:18 |
| infrastructure, feature development, community building, general management and governance, marketing, testing and QA, packaging, etc. | ||
| FUDCons are typically held once per year, in each region of the world, and organization is led by Red Hat. | ||
| aveek | will have all distros & FOSS tools though | 00:18 |
| spevack | FAD = Fedora Activity Day | 00:18 |
| spevack | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD | 00:18 |
| spevack | A FAD is a regional event (either one-day or a multi-day) that allows Fedora contributors to gather together in order to work on specific | 00:18 |
| tasks related to the Fedora Project. | ||
| spevack | Originally, these meetings were used for local Fedora Ambassador groups to make their plans for the coming year, but the idea is being | 00:18 |
| expanded to bring local contributors together in order to work on any projects related to Fedora, and (if so desired) to organize some sort | ||
| of social event or to hold the event in an interesting location. FADs can be held as often as there is a reason to have them, and *anyone* | ||
| can organize a FAD. | ||
| spevack | We'll talk more about organizing events later on, unless there are any questions right now | 00:20 |
| linuxguru | spevack, i heard from susmit about this new format , where we organize FAD once and for 1 month we keep the students active in some | 00:20 |
| projects and after 1 month we plan another FAD. i would like to know more about this thing and how to actually implement this. | ||
| spevack | linuxguru: sure. | 00:20 |
| * icarus-c is googling FAD | 00:21 | |
| linuxguru | icarus-c, http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD | 00:21 |
| * icarus-c falls onto the ground | 00:21 | |
| spevack | linuxguru: i haven't talked to susmit about it directly, but it sounds like he wants to use the Fedora Activity Day "structure" to get | 00:22 |
| people involved directly into different projects. What that list of projects are, I'm not sure, but it almost doesn't matter, as long as | ||
| folks want to work on them | ||
| spevack | I guess the idea would be to have a monthly meeting/workshop/hackfest and call it a FAD, and then each month introduce people to a new | 00:22 |
| project that they can work on for the coming month? | ||
| spevack | is that right? | 00:22 |
| linuxguru | yeah , like we have one local contact who continue mentoring students for the 1 month after FAD and help them with the projects they have | 00:23 |
| under taken | ||
| liujiyun | in China there are so little people to take part in ,I don't know how to connected others | 00:23 |
| linuxguru | spevack, and yes. no list of projects. i will be contacting susmit regarding that soon. | 00:23 |
| spevack | linuxguru: i'd be happy to help and provide input in that conversation if you like. | 00:24 |
| loupgaroublond | liujiyun, you start slow, and you find a good context for what you're doing, if you know a couple of people who are interested, it | 00:24 |
| helps to meet with them regularly | ||
| spevack | liujiyun: I've noticed that we do very few events of any sort in China. I'm sure there are some technical universities where we could have | 00:24 |
| people talking about Linux & Fedora & Open Source, or some shows where people attend wanting to learn more? | ||
| loupgaroublond | once you have regular meetings, it's easy to recruit other people | 00:24 |
| linuxguru | spevack, sure. let me get inputs from the next LUG meetup we have tomorrow and we will decide on exactly how we plan to under take this. | 00:24 |
| and i will mail you regarding this. | ||
| aveek | There is an inertia for the first timers | 00:25 |
| icarus-c | liujiyun: from my experience, we do have a number of fedora users in China, but they just don't show up in the "official" way | 00:25 |
| spevack | icarus-c: why do you think that is? | 00:25 |
| aveek | We are inexperienced about contributing code | 00:25 |
| liujiyun | icarus-c: maybe | 00:25 |
| icarus-c | i've been seeing people discussing about fedora on their forum | 00:26 |
| icarus-c | however, they never know of fedoraproject.org | 00:26 |
| icarus-c | or any fedorahosted thing | 00:26 |
| aveek | Can certain experts come for talks at our install fest or even via video-conference | 00:27 |
| liujiyun | icarus-c:how can we do to let some offical meeting hold on china | 00:27 |
| linuxguru | liujiyun, as i see it. china is big. | 00:27 |
| diamond_ramsey | Yes, China is big... | 00:27 |
| linuxguru | people are located from each other , very far. | 00:27 |
| diamond_ramsey | Hello everyone, sorry I'm late. | 00:27 |
| icarus-c | liujiyun: well.. it would be quite difficult since we don't have a common "official" platform | 00:28 |
| linuxguru | hello diamond_ramsey | 00:28 |
| icarus-c | and also note that China is big.. | 00:28 |
| linuxguru | diamond_ramsey, are you from japan | 00:28 |
| diamond_ramsey | Yup this week, I'm in Tokyo. | 00:28 |
| spevack | well, all you can do is hold a meeting in your area, and try to grow it. liujiyun, are you our only Ambassador in all of China? | 00:28 |
| spevack | diamond_ramsey: welcome | 00:28 |
| linuxguru | diamond_ramsey, cool. welcome to the meeting. | 00:28 |
| diamond_ramsey | :) I try doing Fedora 9 & 10 distributions (next month Fedora 11) :) | 00:28 |
| * icarus-c mentions that he comes from hong Kong | 00:28 | |
| liujiyun | yes,if we have adhesion of offical ,it may be a little easy | 00:29 |
| icarus-c | Very very limited fedora and linux users here in hong kong | 00:29 |
| spevack | icarus-c: my parents live in hong kong today, and I lived there with them as a child for 4 years. | 00:29 |
| linuxguru | spevack, and as well , let me tell you. we had a fedora install fest in a local engineering college here in Rajasthan , India. and the | 00:29 |
| turn out was good. i am working with other guys to get a proper report of that event and will be posting soon on the planet. | ||
| icarus-c | people would blame me usually when i introduce fedora / linux to them | 00:29 |
| liujiyun | I am trying to be a Ambassador | 00:29 |
| spevack | icarus-c: why do they blame you? | 00:29 |
| spevack | liujiyun: are there any universities near you? where in China are you located? | 00:30 |
| icarus-c | they all believe that linux is for servers and experts in studying computer science or programmers. and thus, complicated and not suitable | 00:30 |
| for desktop use | ||
| icarus-c | also they love windows so much | 00:30 |
| liujiyun | yes ,I am in Central South University in Hunan | 00:31 |
| linuxguru | icarus-c, i believe fedora very well support chinese languages . | 00:31 |
| aveek | the initial rejection is also faced by us | 00:31 |
| diamond_ramsey | True on the languages. | 00:31 |
| liujiyun | there are many universities nearby | 00:31 |
| icarus-c | but anyway, since netbook becomes more common, some lucky people have seen that light of linux with ubuntu | 00:31 |
| aveek | until they know of its reliability, less prone to viruses | 00:31 |
| diamond_ramsey | Initial rejection, too, but the techies come to love it. | 00:31 |
| diamond_ramsey | :) Hi linuxguru & spevack! :) I hope that the APAC and EMEA will update their Wiki pages more and use that Wiki page as a | 00:31 |
| reference. That was my goal and seems like a good way to get my Fedora users to our Web Site. :) | ||
| icarus-c | however, they are stuck with ubuntu.... | 00:31 |
| icarus-c | linuxguru: chinese support is great | 00:32 |
| * icarus-c points out that the ibus cangjie input method is a bit strange | 00:32 | |
| spevack | linuxguru: perhaps you could talk a bit about the install-fest you have done in universities, so that someone like liujiyun can see how we | 00:33 |
| do it and maybe try to organize one also | ||
| linuxguru | icarus-c, glad to hear that. i believe you need to get a local meetup of know peoples first. start with a small group. and let's see how | 00:33 |
| big it goes. we started in the same way. and in just 2 months you see we have organized a big event in a engineering college. even fedora | ||
| contributors were glad to send us 100 dvds of fedora 10 | ||
| linuxguru | spevack, sure. | 00:33 |
| liujiyun | spevack: I am in Central South Univercity which located in changsha ,hunan ,and there are other univercity near our campus | 00:33 |
| icarus-c | linuxguru: i can only start from school.... | 00:33 |
| icarus-c | unless i get into an university | 00:34 |
| linuxguru | liujiyun, icarus-c , what i believe will be good for you initially is , talk to people you know , your friends, and have regular meetings. | 00:34 |
| discuss about the things you have accomplished , they have done , interested in. | ||
| diamond_ramsey | I have had good success the input method input-anthy with iBus on Fedora 11. | 00:34 |
| spevack | liujiyun: i think it's also useful to tell people about what is going on in Fedora. | 00:34 |
| diamond_ramsey | I found that getting my "users" at the techie "hangouts" in downtown was a good introduction. | 00:34 |
| * icarus-c did pull 3 friends to fedora | 00:34 | |
| spevack | for instance, icarus-c mentioned that folks don't think Fedora is suitable for the desktop | 00:34 |
| spevack | that's a perfect opportunity to do a presentation where you demonstrate all the things you can do w/ Fedora as a desktop OS | 00:35 |
| spevack | including things you CANNOT do on Windows | 00:35 |
| linuxguru | liujiyun, icarus-c then you contact your school / university management to provide you a bit of small infrastructure like classroom , labs | 00:35 |
| to organize practical sessions on basic stuff , like using fedora , getting basic things done in fedora , how to install fedora , | ||
| co-relating software package names with the commonly used windows software name, we have done that. | ||
| loupgaroublond | icarus-c, sometimes it's more effective to get each of them to pull another three friends, instead of just pulling another three | 00:35 |
| yourself ;) | ||
| icarus-c | spevack: i would say the multi-media and 3rd party driver support is a big obstacle for newbie | 00:35 |
| liujiyun | spevack: the most important problem in china is the yum source | 00:35 |
| spevack | for example, in Fedora 11 PackageKit can look at file extensions and then install the software needed to open the file. Windows cannot do | 00:35 |
| this | ||
| spevack | icarus-c: rpmfusion :) | 00:35 |
| diamond_ramsey | Everyone ---> Good ideas! +1 | 00:35 |
| spevack | liujiyun: what do you mean? | 00:35 |
| liujiyun | the yum sources in china is very little | 00:36 |
| linuxguru | spevack, the problem is costly internet connection , and slow connection :-) | 00:36 |
| liujiyun | and the speed is so slow | 00:36 |
| linuxguru | spevack, APAC/India faces this problem. | 00:36 |
| spevack | yeah | 00:36 |
| icarus-c | linuxguru: 1 idea fly-by my mind --- bring down the school computer system and introduce fedora or linux to them. | 00:36 |
| aveek | we have almost no connectivity | 00:36 |
| aveek | NIT Durgapur LUG is giving us repos on disc | 00:36 |
| spevack | is it a problem with needing more mirrors, or just internet infrastructure in general? | 00:36 |
| loupgaroublond | spevack, it's both | 00:37 |
| linuxguru | icarus-c, sure. you can start doing it. it's definitely not impossible to convince your school authorities to provide you the required | 00:37 |
| infrastructure once you have a small group running. | ||
| icarus-c | spevack: as i said --- newbie , they don't know what's rpmfusion, they don't even know what is drivers, packages, dependency... | 00:37 |
| linuxguru | spevack, internet in general is a problem. as well as the mirrors in india are having problems every now and then. my yum mostly errors | 00:37 |
| out on the indian mirrors and switch to one of the tawian / japan mirrors | ||
| liujiyun | in china there are only some education mirrors | 00:37 |
| icarus-c | Microsoft hurts them so badly | 00:38 |
| liujiyun | and these mirrors which can't be viewed by the one not in education net | 00:38 |
| icarus-c | people think that the system should work out-of-the-box without any knowledge about computer, just like buying OEM computer shipped with | 00:38 |
| windows | ||
| spevack | liujiyun: what can the larger Fedora Project do to help fix that? What should we do? | 00:39 |
| linuxguru | spevack, it is been seen that for people to get started with fedora at the initial level , they need to be provided with softwares that | 00:39 |
| can play there mp3s , avi's out of the box. | ||
| aveek | icarus-c : convince them to come out of their shell,otherwise the'll never develop. Further keep learning yourself to demonstrate to them & | 00:39 |
| to increase your own knowledge | ||
| spevack | linuxguru: i understand that -- and if that is the case, then I think we should be doing presentations and teaching people how to set up | 00:40 |
| third-party repositories like rpmfusion that provide those things. | ||
| linuxguru | spevack, like if possible we can get a copy of fedora dvd's having "Everything" repo. we can rsync the rpmfusion repository pretty easily | 00:40 |
| (not so big) and use these both during local install fest. | ||
| icarus-c | besides, sometimes i use $ free as an advantage of using fedora. people would say, i don't need to pay for Windows as well..... (99% of | 00:40 |
| chinese use pirated software... in mainland, store even sell Pirated software as Genuine) | ||
| spevack | teaching people how to extend the "default" functionality of Fedora is a perfectly fine topic | 00:40 |
| liujiyun | cooperation with chinese goverment | 00:40 |
| linuxguru | spevack, and get a perfectly suitable desktop running for the end user. | 00:41 |
| liujiyun | and other company such as red flag | 00:41 |
| icarus-c | aveek: talking about demonstration, the best way to catch their interest is to demonstrate the fancy desktop effect and cubic desktop... | 00:41 |
| spevack | linuxguru: i'm sure we can make that happen. | 00:41 |
| icarus-c | people interested in appearance more than the capability of the system | 00:41 |
| aveek | this is exactly what we did to get our LUG official | 00:41 |
| spevack | linuxguru: i will send a note to our two main contacts -- Sankarshan and Harish -- and ask them when they make Fedora 11 medias, if we can | 00:41 |
| make some of the Everything repo. | ||
| linuxguru | spevack, that be great , IMO | 00:42 |
| diamond_ramsey | great idea. | 00:42 |
| spevack | do most of the universities in China teach programming on Windows or Linux? | 00:42 |
| icarus-c | Is it possible for us to deliver FREE fedora copies as CD/DVD as ubuntu did (by Canonical) | 00:42 |
| spevack | icarus-c: we give out all our media for free | 00:42 |
| liujiyun | spevack: chinese universities teach programming on windows | 00:43 |
| icarus-c | spevack: well.. we lack the maintainer in china | 00:43 |
| spevack | icarus-c: but aside from FreeMedia project, we don't have the ability to mail individual copies to every person. that's why we try to | 00:43 |
| organize events :) | ||
| icarus-c | liujiyun: exactly! | 00:43 |
| icarus-c | liujiyun: even the professor or computer science graduates don't even know linux | 00:43 |
| icarus-c | liujiyun: or at least they havn't touch linux | 00:43 |
| liujiyun | we use turboc 2.0 and dev cpp | 00:43 |
| spevack | liujiyun: interesting... so where other countries give us a great chance to expose university computer science students to linux, the | 00:44 |
| challenge is much more difficult in china | ||
| aveek | same in India, though little better | 00:44 |
| spevack | ok, so one of the big takeaways is to make the Everything media available. | 00:44 |
| spevack | what else can we be doing? | 00:44 |
| liujiyun | about 70% never heard linux | 00:44 |
| icarus-c | what they know about linux is just about what they read on textbook --- "Linux is an open source multi-user networking Operating system | 00:44 |
| which is designed for server use" | ||
| linuxguru | liujiyun, you need a revolution like I had in my university. I brought fedora here. now we have a 10 computer fedora lab. running fedora 8 | 00:44 |
| spevack | linuxguru: good for you! | 00:45 |
| icarus-c | liujiyun: i would say 95% in hong kong | 00:45 |
| loupgaroublond | part of the challenge is convincing them that Fedora and Linux is far better for doing development on | 00:45 |
| linuxguru | liujiyun, and you are the person who is going to do that. start with a small group. i am sure you can make it happen. don't worry about | 00:45 |
| the big things for now | ||
| loupgaroublond | just showing people that it can be easier to do coursework on Fedora goes a long way | 00:45 |
| liujiyun | yes | 00:45 |
| diamond_ramsey | yes, user and developer futures are possible with linux. | 00:46 |
| aveek | We are having a proposal to have complete FOSS & Linux to cut costs | 00:46 |
| icarus-c | loupgaroublond: they want to put their MS office dvd into the machine and complain can't install -> linux sucks | 00:46 |
| liujiyun | in china ,people must do something to survive with the compressive stress | 00:46 |
| icarus-c | liujiyun: stress refers to VIRUSES on windows? :P | 00:46 |
| * icarus-c notes that viruses in China in crazy as 99% of people are using pirated software | 00:47 | |
| loupgaroublond | icarus-c, remind them that they can't do it in OS X, and then show them that open office is already installed | 00:47 |
| aveek | or stressful on process deadlocks in Vista | 00:47 |
| liujiyun | maybe ,I always install windows through ghost for them | 00:47 |
| aveek | open office is much better at FREE | 00:47 |
| icarus-c | loupgaroublond: that's why they don't run os x as well... even when some people buy Mac, they would wipe OS X out and install windows... | 00:48 |
| linuxguru | guys in my humble opinion , the case of china , should be under taken in a step by step manner. people like liujiyun , icarus-c should | 00:48 |
| start with small groups. no matter . even 1 - 2 people group and do it that way. | ||
| diamond_ramsey | +1 on openoffice | 00:48 |
| linuxguru | they can get help from fedora contact person in india and APAC | 00:48 |
| diamond_ramsey | yes, start "small" and grow... | 00:48 |
| * icarus-c +sys.maxint on openoffice | 00:48 | |
| liujiyun | maybe ,the important is detachment of interest | 00:49 |
| liujiyun | student want to find a job | 00:49 |
| aveek | Definitely Linux requires more effort | 00:49 |
| icarus-c | linuxguru: among the 3 friends pulled by me to fedora, only 1 is clever enough to survive | 00:49 |
| liujiyun | White-collar want to advance in office | 00:49 |
| aveek | But for better jobs, you need to know about Linux | 00:50 |
| icarus-c | linuxguru: that 1 can find out how to get pppoe & go on msn and install wine without my intervention! | 00:50 |
| aveek | Hackers spend so much of their energy?? | 00:50 |
| liujiyun | only a little ,which only use the great source of linux | 00:50 |
| linuxguru | icarus-c, you can make them clever. i guess. let them know. help them around. i started with linux in 2002. with RH 7.2 and since then | 00:50 |
| converted most of my friends to use linux. i use to go to there home and install linux on there machine. tell them how to hide files in | ||
| linux. no one can see linux partitions in windows. then later told them how to use virus free internet in linux. | ||
| aveek | they will learn to use web resources in this way only.. | 00:50 |
| liujiyun | such as do some programming with linux ,they don't have the linux spirit | 00:51 |
| linuxguru | icarus-c, then i told them how to play mp3 , avi in linux. in my local area i have more than 15 people i know personally using linux or | 00:51 |
| know what it is. | ||
| * icarus-c is so happy as 2 more of his friends have requested him to install fedora for them few weeks later | 00:51 | |
| diamond_ramsey | nice | 00:51 |
| aveek | codecs are searched automatically | 00:51 |
| spevack | aveek: and if you have rpmfusion, it will all Just Work | 00:52 |
| icarus-c | aveek: sometimes | 00:52 |
| linuxguru | icarus-c, when it reaches a certain level. you can definitely make it big. like I did. i started the local linux user group here. | 00:52 |
| icarus-c | spevack: would it be possible to ship rpmfusion along with fedora but disabled by default but it ask whether to enable when needed? | 00:52 |
| liujiyun | ok,I will try to be a linux a ambassdors | 00:52 |
| diamond_ramsey | liujiyun +1 | 00:53 |
| icarus-c | liujiyun: prepare a bunch of dvd first :D | 00:53 |
| loupgaroublond | icarus-c, there was an initiative to put something together that does that for you | 00:53 |
| loupgaroublond | i think it was called 'omega' | 00:53 |
| diamond_ramsey | I think that everyone give good ideas. | 00:53 |
| icarus-c | loupgaroublond: yea omega | 00:53 |
| linuxguru | icarus-c, i think you can rsync rpmfusion , its not that big , do you have fast internet for that at least? | 00:53 |
| spevack | icarus-c: unfortunately, that is not possible due to the legal restrictions that Fedora operates under. But loupgaroublond is right -- | 00:53 |
| there is a Fedora respin called Omega that does just that! | ||
| icarus-c | linuxguru: i have a 30Mbps internet :D | 00:54 |
| linuxguru | icarus-c, that is way ahead then what i am using right now! | 00:54 |
| spevack | icarus-c: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2008-September/msg00015.html | 00:54 |
| icarus-c | spevack: would omega still called fedora or omega | 00:54 |
| icarus-c | spevack: like would /etc/redhate-release contains fedora | 00:54 |
| icarus-c | linuxguru: can i officially declared as a mirror of rpmfusion ? | 00:55 |
| linuxguru | icarus-c, you can use it in your local network. | 00:55 |
| * icarus-c was once try to be one of fedora repo mirror... but holy... so big | 00:55 | |
| spevack | icarus-c: ftp://ftp.infradead.org/pub/spins/omega-10-desktop-livecd.ks | 00:55 |
| linuxguru | icarus-c, yeah its very huge | 00:55 |
| icarus-c | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11 | 00:56 |
| icarus-c | ks!! | 00:56 |
| icarus-c | i can make my own respin! | 00:56 |
| spevack | icarus-c: ftp://ftp.infradead.org/pub/spins/ | 00:56 |
| icarus-c | how can i forgot this :D | 00:56 |
| spevack | icarus-c: of course!!! :) | 00:56 |
| linuxguru | icarus-c, omega has rpmfusion packages as well as it enabled with fedora , fedora-updates and rpmfusion repos | 00:56 |
| icarus-c | ship my of spin to my friends with everything setup :D | 00:56 |
| spevack | icarus-c: absolutely | 00:56 |
| * icarus-c will look for respin guide after his exam tomorrow | 00:57 | |
| linuxguru | liujiyun, you can do the same in your dormitory | 00:57 |
| liujiyun | icarus-c: they have to play games under windows | 00:57 |
| liujiyun | icarus-c: such as WAR3 DNF ... | 00:58 |
| spevack | ok, our hour is almost up. We can continue to chat for a bit, but I wanted to thank you all for coming to today's class, which is | 00:58 |
| "officially" over, but the "unofficial" conversation can still go on :) | ||
| linuxguru | liujiyun, glad to contacted icarus-c he uses wine to play windows game | 00:58 |
| icarus-c | maybe i can even make a netinst mirror using my server :D | 00:58 |
| icarus-c | so that i can deliver cds instead of dvds | 00:58 |
| spevack | icarus-c: good idea | 00:58 |
| liujiyun | wine is not stable | 00:58 |
| icarus-c | wine is great enough | 00:59 |
| loupgaroublond | wine's just good enough | 00:59 |
| liujiyun | spevack:you are offical people? | 00:59 |
| linuxguru | spevack, thanks for the guidance. once again a great class , time went by , and we didn't noticed ;-) | 00:59 |
| loupgaroublond | when i get people to switch, i show them they can dual boot windows and fedora | 00:59 |
| diamond_ramsey | :) Good class, thank you! :) | 00:59 |
| liujiyun | oh,yesterday I use wine to play WAR3 | 01:00 |
| liujiyun | faild | 01:00 |
| loupgaroublond | then i sugges that once they feel comfortable, they should try a 30 day no windows challenge | 01:00 |
| diamond_ramsey | loupgaroublond +1 dual boot | 01:00 |
| linuxguru | loupgaroublond, that is great , lol :-) | 01:00 |
| loupgaroublond | wine's great because it means they don't feel compelled to reboot into windows nearly as often | 01:00 |
| spevack | loupgaroublond: good idea also. | 01:00 |
| icarus-c | can someone point me to a good guide on creating respin & setting up HTTP/FTP install mirror ? | 01:00 |
| liujiyun | icarus-c: can you tell me how to wine War3 | 01:01 |
| loupgaroublond | linuxguru, have a look at the wine application database on the winehq website | 01:01 |
| aveek | Warcraft, Counterstrike & Age of Empires have been successfully played by our LUG | 01:01 |
| icarus-c | liujiyun: make it personal :D | 01:01 |
| diamond_ramsey | excellent | 01:01 |
| liujiyun | ok | 01:01 |
| liujiyun | icarus-c: I hava try to do it ,but when I access it It get a darkscreen that I Have to reboot | 01:02 |
| icarus-c | liujiyun: have you tried going to tty or restart X ? | 01:03 |
| icarus-c | sometimes just refresh rate issue | 01:03 |
| icarus-c | off topic here :D | 01:03 |
| liujiyun | ok | 01:04 |
| diamond_ramsey | Best to you on your Ambassador Adventure...I started small and things sort of grew. :) | 01:05 |
| liujiyun | I will be a develop of fedora in the future | 01:07 |
| liujiyun | developer | 01:07 |
| diamond_ramsey | good idea. | 01:07 |
| diamond_ramsey | There are lots of resources for fedora and linux...future big systems in your country will have a greater opportunity with Linux. | 01:08 |
| You are on the ground floor for this adventure. | ||
| diamond_ramsey | Going to eat dinner bye all. | 01:08 |
| liujiyun | Bue | 01:09 |
| liujiyun | bye | 01:09 |
| * linuxguru waiting for his lunch at the moment | 01:12 | |
| aveek | spevack : is it possible to have you to give a talk for our install fest via video-conference?? | 01:13 |
| loupgaroublond | he's gone back to sleep | 01:14 |
| spevack | aveek: i don't have any of the equipment needed to do it. | 01:14 |
| spevack | loupgaroublond: not yet :) | 01:14 |
| loupgaroublond | or not, haha | 01:14 |
| spevack | aveek: but | 01:15 |
| spevack | aveek: we could try to figure it out. | 01:15 |
| spevack | aveek: i gave a talk recently that is on youtube that people might find interesting | 01:15 |
| * spevack goes to look for it | 01:15 | |
| spevack | aveek: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_UH75oGPVs | 01:16 |
| loupgaroublond | great, now i'm so tired i don't understand the code i wrote, haha | 01:16 |
| spevack | aveek: let me know what you think of that, maybe you could show that at your install fest | 01:17 |
| aveek | Could I have something "Live" | 01:18 |
| aveek | The fest will be for 2 days sometime between 15-20 July... | 01:18 |
| aveek | Not a long talk | 01:18 |
| spevack | aveek: i'm sure we can figure it out :) | 01:18 |
| spevack | aveek: at least by skype if nothing else! | 01:19 |
| aveek | thanks a lot | 01:19 |
| spevack | aveek: my pleasure | 01:19 |
| loupgaroublond | aveek, we do have an asterix network available to fedora contributors too | 01:19 |
| loupgaroublond | i'm not sure it would work best where you don't have alot of bandwidth, but the tools are there, in fedora | 01:20 |
| aveek | we will shut down all other computers that day..no problem | 01:20 |
| loupgaroublond | well, yeah, i just mean the tools are there, if two fedora users want to have a voice to voice conversation, they can do it for 'free' anywhere on the globe | 01:22 |
| loupgaroublond | 'free' because you still need to pay for the internet hookup | 01:22 |
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